tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post5116491603371523073..comments2023-12-15T02:38:55.020+10:30Comments on Still Life With Cat: The Abbott and the Women: some thoughtsKerryn Goldsworthyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11270814460793882309noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-76830953865175014682009-12-31T18:25:53.967+10:302009-12-31T18:25:53.967+10:30imagine if the divorce procedure going back to th...imagine if the divorce procedure going back to the dark days of the 50's the cost and time is one thing but the depression that depends on both partners and children would be horrendous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-27075281365047990712009-12-26T12:03:11.765+10:302009-12-26T12:03:11.765+10:30how can you make this blogg better know i stumbled...how can you make this blogg better know i stumbled upon it.<br />we need all woman and men to read this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-28999575243130883192009-12-26T11:58:42.395+10:302009-12-26T11:58:42.395+10:30i was worried the young ones may not see tony as w...i was worried the young ones may not see tony as we have in the older generation pleased to read it here. i am a liberated catholic woman still love my faith but not his brand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-67390660577488100772009-12-11T21:42:11.476+10:302009-12-11T21:42:11.476+10:30Your post was fucking brilliantYour post was fucking brilliantMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-65375758058384722812009-12-10T21:13:12.068+10:302009-12-10T21:13:12.068+10:30The slight possibility that Abbott might once agai...The slight possibility that Abbott might once again get his grubby paws on the levers of power horrifies me.<br /><br />My mother, for complex reasons I won't go into, needed to get divorced in about 1951. It took her about 6 years and I hate to think how much money-eating QC time, and was on the grounds of mental cruelty. (She left my father.) I was too young to understand what was going on at the time, but she said many years later that the whole experience was really fucking miserable (probably for my old man as well).<br /><br />Abbott would like to bring those days back.David Irving (no relation)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05728918405973140125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-91205242306628175312009-12-09T01:16:41.825+10:302009-12-09T01:16:41.825+10:30Thanks very much for the post. I needed the school...Thanks very much for the post. I needed the schooling. I'm also glad to have the patronising sexism of Abbott pointed out -- I admit to being as tone deaf as the next bloke when it comes to seeing/hearing/recognising sexist tropes in casual banter. That patronising and dismissive language "good girl" &c - has always been so ubiquitous that the majority of examples go through to the keeper I'm afraid. I need the reminder of what it is and what it stands for.peacayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03997731249622552311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-10277235517597536832009-12-08T17:37:05.926+10:302009-12-08T17:37:05.926+10:30Great post Dr Cat. Dogpossum said exactly what I t...Great post Dr Cat. Dogpossum said exactly what I think. I agree with jenjen too. LauraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-14172383182128812492009-12-08T13:33:05.148+10:302009-12-08T13:33:05.148+10:30First things first, that picture was more terrifyi...First things first, that picture was more terrifying than seeing my boss in speedos, I don't know what the fuck he's on about, cos as a lady-lover I don't want to see some d00d.<br /><br />Secondly, the expression "'loyal girl'." is dry-retch inducing. When I found out T.A was the new Liberal party leader I cried a little to be quite honest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-50368309004626381762009-12-08T13:20:52.649+10:302009-12-08T13:20:52.649+10:30I feel I should just stand down here and clap. Ver...I feel I should just stand down here and clap. Very good post. <br /><br />Also Jude? I'm a young woman and I very much DON'T want Tony. You may answer any questions on opinion for yourself, but please don't presume to answer on behalf of all young women. I resent that.Veronica Foalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05519401661788911341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-26990633838134192942009-12-08T12:12:44.991+10:302009-12-08T12:12:44.991+10:30Yes, I can see the 'real' and 'blokey&...Yes, I can see the 'real' and 'blokey' factor would appeal to many. But that's just as much a worry: it smacks of people calling men 'good blokes' in the face of their having done something silly or irresponsible or downright stupid. <br /><br />[WV = nobiger]Ampersand Duckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12245377686193859488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-28036732201600947262009-12-08T12:03:13.117+10:302009-12-08T12:03:13.117+10:30a bloody excellent post.
i was disappointed to se...a bloody excellent post.<br /><br />i was disappointed to see kerry defuse the seriousness of his own question - he gave that deflection to tony on a platter.<br /><br />i'm not so much concerned that abbot will be pm, but that his christian conservatism will legitimise rudd's christian conservatism. <br /><br />ready for julia now.jenjenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04226416089638841182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-47391274777901064882009-12-08T11:05:03.468+10:302009-12-08T11:05:03.468+10:30Thankyou for this post.
Abbott worries me in that...Thankyou for this post. <br />Abbott worries me in that he is seen as the opposite of the very plastic Kevin. Which could garner him some support from the anti PC brigade. I was listening to a conversation in the pub and the consensus seemed to be that he was more real and blokey and as such was a better man.frogpondsrockhttp://frogpondsrock.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-58724614264020855202009-12-07T22:24:41.702+10:302009-12-07T22:24:41.702+10:30Abbott's polling diabolically bad, as tigtog n...Abbott's polling diabolically bad, as tigtog noted. The thing the Jude's and Miranda Devine's are *really* saying when they point to the absence of a gender gap, is that men hate him as much as women, even though they have less reason.<br /><br />Well that's an achievement to be proud of.Feral Sparrowhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03828397163776767308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-77895954309259398142009-12-07T19:17:26.972+10:302009-12-07T19:17:26.972+10:30Heh. Even Andrew Bolt can understand how bad the ...Heh. <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/small_hope_for_abbott_in_this_poll/" rel="nofollow">Even Andrew Bolt can understand how bad the polls are for Abbott</a> when Andrew Catsaras explains it to him:<br /><br /><i>As Better Prime Minister, Abbott’s rating differential of (- 37%), which is the difference between the score of the Prime Minister at 60% and the Opposition Leader at 23%, is the lowest of all new mid-term Opposition Leaders.<br /><br />Even immediately following an election loss, Kim Beazley in 1996 at (- 32%) and Simon Crean in 2001 at (- 36%), had better differentials than Abbott. Only Brendan Nelson, immediately following the 2007 election, recorded a worse differential at (-47%).<br /><br />Also, Abbott’s score of 23% is the lowest of all new mid-term Opposition Leaders. Only new Opposition Leaders immediately following an election loss had lower scores.<br /><br />Better Prime Minister Ratings mid term.<br /><br />December 2009.....Kevin Rudd....60.....Tony Abbott.............23......differential 37<br /><br />September 2009....Kevin Rudd....54.....Malcolm Turnbull....24......differential 30<br /><br />January 2005........John Howard..58......Kim Beazley............31......differential 27<br /><br />December 2003....John Howard..52.....Mark Latham............26.....differential 26<br /><br />January 1995.........Paul Keating..42.....John Howard............37.....differential 5<br /><br />December 2006....John Howard..39.....Kevin Rudd...............36.....differential 3<br /><br />May 1994................Paul Keating..32.....Alexander Downer...38....differential (- 6) </i>tigtoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17989643095255493683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-38797478895407861712009-12-07T16:46:22.478+10:302009-12-07T16:46:22.478+10:30Actually, Jude, if you read the stats in your chos...Actually, Jude, if you read the stats in your chosen article, it suggests that of the 23% of [? voters] polled by Newspoll who prefer Tony as prime minister, most thought he and Turnbull were 'about the same' and 26% (of the 23%) were female -so that would be 5.98%, and then even less if you divided it by the age group percentage which followed. So - it is true. Some young women think that Tony rocks. About 3% of the sample, perhaps. And you.<br />But as Pav pointed out<br />Statistics lie<br />and<br />That wasn't the primary point, which was in my reading that Abbott's policies on issues of importance to thinking men and women are strikingly sinister.<br />Did you read Zoe's link?<br />TyaakinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-73082116103372767102009-12-07T14:57:39.672+10:302009-12-07T14:57:39.672+10:30If you do come back, Jude, whoever you are, perhap...If you do come back, Jude, whoever you are, perhaps you wouldn't mind answering a question. <i>Why</i> do you want Tony? What exactly is it that you think he stands for, and what is it that you think he will do?Kerryn Goldsworthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11270814460793882309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-10672527603988971012009-12-07T14:30:34.486+10:302009-12-07T14:30:34.486+10:30Wading in on this, I wonder why, you Jude, do not ...Wading in on this, I wonder why, you Jude, do not reveal yourself. <br /><br />Your anonymity makes me wonder whether as Pav suggests you are indeed a young woman or perhaps a plant, a stepford wife or perish the thought a 'man', an Abbott sympathiser. <br /><br />I too don't understand the point of your comments other than that you wish to be contrary or to insult your host. <br /><br />You are unlikely to find any 'converts' here.Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04015624747225433940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-47611914049945621432009-12-07T13:38:22.561+10:302009-12-07T13:38:22.561+10:30And as I stated earlier, Jude, sweetie, your figur...And as <i>I</i> stated earlier, Jude, sweetie, your figures would be very effective if they actually addressed what the post is arguing. The fact that the perceptions are widely held is not a matter of my opinion. Again, if you want to see how wide they are, follow the links in the post. Or perhaps you don't know how to. You're obviously not reading the thread, either.<br /><br />I assume from what you say that you are a young woman -- as are many of the commenters on this thread who clearly want something different from what you want, so perhaps you're 'out of touch' with your own demographic. And you obviously have no idea what a feminist is, either.<br /><br />"We want Tony"?? Oh well. It's true that there are indeed many women who would rather have all their decisions made for them, including what to do with their bodies and what path their lives will follow. Lots of luck with it.Kerryn Goldsworthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11270814460793882309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-58790806173277340592009-12-07T12:47:01.476+10:302009-12-07T12:47:01.476+10:30A poll comparing the opinins of people who are wil...A poll comparing the opinins of people who are willing to even think about the Liberal leadership is hardly the same as a poll that is representative of the whole electorate, Jude.tigtoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17989643095255493683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-71850827480056658442009-12-07T12:28:29.579+10:302009-12-07T12:28:29.579+10:30"Although Mr Abbott has polled well behind Mr..."Although Mr Abbott has polled well behind Mr Turnbull in leadership surveys, and won the Liberal leadership last Tuesday by only one vote over Mr Turnbull, he outstripped his former leader in almost every category when voters were asked if he would make a better or worse leader than Mr Turnbull.<br /><br />While more people thought the two leaders would be "about the same", Mr Abbott finished ahead of Mr Turnbull 28 to 21 per cent with his biggest lead in demographic groups among women, 26 to 18 per cent, and those aged 35-49 years, 29 to 21 per cent."<br /><br />http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,26450818-948,00.html<br /><br />As I previously stated, what Pavlov thinks are widely held perceptions are nothing more than the prejudices of a narrow band of feminists who are completely out of touch with what young women want. We want Tony!Judenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-41211197368446648132009-12-06T19:57:49.108+10:302009-12-06T19:57:49.108+10:30Oh dear, everyone's a critic. I take it, Diane...Oh dear, everyone's a critic. I take it, Diane, that you're one of those people who think it's perfectly all right to turn up anonymously on some total stranger's blog and be a pig-rude smartarse. <br /><br />I don't know where you get 'swing to the effing libs', for a start. There was a swing <i>away</i> from the effing Libs in Higgins, albeit smaller than expected, and in Bradfield the margin is also slightly less than last time. They are both blue-ribbon Liberal seats in which Labor didn't even bother to field a candidate. Personally I think it's quite amazing that Clive Hamilton got 42 per cent or so of the vote in Higgins of all places. <br /><br />I'd put the literary critique on hold until you're sure you understand what the post is doing, if I were you. The post is looking at the way a particular widespread perception of Abbott has been represented in the meeja (again, follow the links, which I bet you didn't do, to see how broad that perception actually is), and it's arguing that women need to be <i>more</i> opposed to Abbott, to not be complacent about hard-won gains, especially young women who are too young to remember what life used to be like not all that long ago. It's a tub and it requires thumping. If you think the appropriate response to it is irony, then by all means go away and produce some irony of your own. Somewhere else, like.Kerryn Goldsworthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11270814460793882309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-46208899691518131932009-12-06T19:09:53.686+10:302009-12-06T19:09:53.686+10:30Oh gawd, Pav, this is one time when you should not...Oh gawd, Pav, this is one time when you should not trust your friends.<br />Your rhetoric is leaden and thumping. You weren't on the Form 6 debating team by any chance ? You do irony so well. You don't have to resort to this kind of tub thumping crap. Leave the heartfelt. It only adds to the suspicion you've made it up, confirmed by the swing to the effing Libs yesterday.<br />DianeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-74904487276584999422009-12-06T18:42:31.528+10:302009-12-06T18:42:31.528+10:30I can't add anything to the praise except more...I can't add anything to the praise except more praise, and a thankfulness that you're out there, Pav, expertly able to make a general feeling of uncomfortableness into a concrete conversational rallying point.Ampersand Duckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12245377686193859488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-13543667161352642312009-12-06T13:27:35.524+10:302009-12-06T13:27:35.524+10:30Oo, good post. I've been feeling very uncomfor...Oo, good post. I've been feeling very uncomfortable with all the bare-chest-slagging on twitts from the 'lefty' side of the table, and it's nice to read something that helps me figure out my discomfort.<br /><br /><br />Also, I _really_ like it that you've taken up the issue of women not liking Abbott, esp in that dismissive line from him in the 7.30 Report. It made me cranky that he was suggesting the only way I could engage with him was via some sort of strange erotic gaze... Frankly, I couldn't give a crap what he looked like, and though I always applaud exercise, I'm not quite thick enough to think that the most important part of his political (or personal) identity is what he wears to the beach... <br /><br />But the part that really annoyed me about that was the implication that I would be distracted by a bullshit argument about his body hair. Because, apparently, as a woman, I can't quite understand difficult political policy, particularly when I'm distracted by a man's body.<br /><br />Anyway, while it immediately made me angry and a bit paranoid, this post was a delight to read.dogpossumhttp://www.dogpossum.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7459693255389523642.post-21411088257045718332009-12-06T11:15:31.032+10:302009-12-06T11:15:31.032+10:30Hi,
My perspective of politics is in regard to the...Hi,<br />My perspective of politics is in regard to the structuring of care (both parties). A blog that I touch base with from time to time is Our woman in Washington see: <br />http://yourwomaninwashington.blogspot.com/<br /><br />I understand that the issues in the US are different, many more battles, but the fundamentals are the same. Have a look through and see what you think. <br /><br />cheers, JoannieJoanniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15322098515369256272noreply@blogger.com